loophole that you would close, you're not going to run up the deficit and not going to run up taxes on the middle class -- it goes back to bill clinton. it's arithmetic. >> that claim is fiction, you guys don't count the loophole closing. >> name one loophole he said he would close. >> he's taurjed about mortgage interest. >> he's talked about mortgage interest? >> he's never talked about mortgage interest. >> you now have one loophole. we have one loophole. >> i'll pull back from this. >> the president says he wants to lower tax rates for big corporations, how do you pay for it? i'm going to close loopholes. what loopholes? nothing, i'll tell you after the election. you're attacking romney for doing exactly what your candidate is doing. >> economy, gas prices, one thing striking in the debate over jobs, is some in conservative corners were arguing about the actual numbers. jack welch had a tweet about unbelievable jobs numbers, the chicago guys will do anything, can't debate because they change the numbers. he was on "hardball" with chris matthews and this is how he explained what'